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great to have you with me today. i'm thomas roberts. the thousands,and i mean thousands, of protesters in wisconsin's capital trying to stop a republican plan to end bargaining power for public employees. after days of protests, the republican governor, he's holding firm. 14 democratic state senators are holding out. and now, hiding out. staying clear of wisconsin to avoid voting on the bill. we're going to talk to one of the democratic senators coming up. first, nbc's school noel is in madison. what are the republicans saying about the plan today. >> reporter: it's interesting, republicans in the assembly, analogous to the national house and of course the senate. in the assembly they have the option of voting on this bill right now. they could pass, majority is so huge they could take action. but they're sitting and waiting to see what will happen with the senate situation. the senate, they can't do anything right now, again, because they don't have a
quorum. >> as we talk about waiting for people to come back, where the heck are these guys? where did the democratic lawmakers go? as we said in the open, they're hiding out, but where? >> reporter: well, there are lots of theories. we're not exactly sure. we are told they are out of state and the reason for that the governor told state troopers to find these guys and these women. the problem that is the state does not have jurisdiction to go over state lines. so unless they can go into another state if that's where they are, they wouldn't have any power to do anything anyway. >> scott, quickly, when you say that the troopers have been assigned to find them, does that mean there have been warrants put out for their arrests or something like that for them to come back through authorities? >> reporter: i don't think you could call it a warrant. actually, you go out and see if you can find any of these people at this point. also, you hear people chanting now. there's a huge protest here now that's been going on.
when i had a chance to go inside the state capitol building in there the atmosphere's electric. everybody packed into the hallways, into the rotunda. they're dancing. they're chanting. i saw firefighters come in and they were cheered by people all around in the hallways. so the atmosphere inside more electric than out here. >> passionate about the political process. scott newell, thank you. one of the democratic lawmakers, wisconsin state senator asked us not to reveal his location, joins us by phone. we appreciate you coming on and talking to with us today. as we've been talking about, you and your fellow democrats have left the area of madison. i assume you've also left the state of wisconsin because, as scott was telling us, state troopers have been dispatched to find you and bring you back. for views watching and seeing how this is playing out, this is your job to be there, to vote, to show up for work. explain to all of us how
skipping out is helping. >> you know, wisconsins a great state. we've got a progressive tradition and pride about our support of public workers and municipal employees. the governor is attempting, in five days to completely repeal all of the workers' rights we've established as far as collective bargaining is concerns over the last 100 years. wisconsin was the first state to have civil service. the first state to develop collective bargaining for municipal employees. the governor introduces a bill to try to redo that, try to undo that in five days. our purpose of getting out of state -- and we're out of state -- to slow the process down and give the people a chance to see what is really going on. and to have a chance to react to what the outrageous dictatorial powers of the governor or what the governor's attempting to do here. >> senator john erpenbach told
the a.p. you cold say in hiding for days or weeks. that is your plan, to stay out of the state of wisconsin for as long as possible until there is some type of turnaround from the republican side? >> we will come back at the appropriate time. the appropriate time is not yet. we are, as i say, trying to slow down the steamrolling process which our governor has initiated. there's no reason to fast track and undo the workers' rights that have been establishes over 100 years in our state. we do not want that to happen. we want to see that the public has a chance to be heard. we will be back at the appropriate time. >> why would the governor do this, in your estimation? would you say he wants to fast track this to strip away these public employees of their collective bargaining rights? >> well, governor is of a different breed than many people in our state. he apparently is a member of a group of people that wants to
nullify the rights and the privileges that our workers have of not just state workers but all municipalities, all workers. i can't speak for the governor, but certainly he is not doing what the majority of the people in our state want, in my opinion. >> sir, we appreciate you coming on today. we're going to stay on top of this story. thank you, again. wisconsin state senator fred risser. a question for you, if you think you've got huge credit card bills, listen to this one because the nation's debt so massive right now it turns out that every american would have to shell out more than $2500 a year to cover the debt. while there's a lot of huffing and puffing on capitol hill about getting deficit down, the white house has been criticized by the charm of its own debt commission. what's really go on? karen finney a democratic strategist and msnbc political an lift. ron christie, a republican strategyist, and he joins me here in studio. i want to say thanks to both of you for coming on. karen, i want to start with you.
former senator simpson and irs skin bowls wrote the op-ed that focuses on domestic discretionary spending saying it's not going far enough to tackle the deficit. it's not enough. >> well, look, i think there are a lot of different opinions about this, and certainly the administration would say that their plan is in line with the overall goal, which is to bring spren spren spending within 3% of gdp. that's what the president's plan does. obviously the president had the commission, it's for him to decide what of their recommendations they wants to use and which one his doesn't. i can tell you, there's a lot more deficit reduction going on in the president's budget than anything we've heard from the gop. >> all right. ron, you agree with this? as i said in the lead-in, $2500 per person to cover this. we think about that, especially in a country where our unemployment rate is above 9%, $2,500, that's a lot of money. >> it's a also of money. the president had an opportunity
to show loeadership with the budget and failed. he said it's time for politicians to stop talking about confronting the difficult issues, we need to confront them. he created a presidential commission, which is where issue areas go to die in washington, d.c., and his own co-chair, irs skin bowls said we would need deaf significance reduction of $3 trillion to $4 trillion. again, it's a question of it's all americans, republicans, democrats, alike, need to confront this reality and it didn't happen in the budge. talk about the entitlement issue, social security, also medicare, what's it going to take for someone to get in there and tackle the problem? can either side really do this, especially before the 2012 presidential race? >> i think we're going to have to. social security is in a better place than medicare and medicaid. we're going to have to deal with medicare and medicaid. i think, personally, it was the right decision for the president to separate that conversation
from the conversation about the budget and the deficit. and i think he did show leadership and frankly if you look at what he's put forward, there is a plan, there is a vision, there is a strategy that says we've got to make cuts, absolutely. we agree on that. but we've got to do it in a way that makes sense that also means like most corporations do, by the way, when making cuts, they're investing in future business growth. the president saying let's invest in the future. again, as part of that, that's that conversation. then medicare, medicaid, we absolutely have to deal with that. >> right. >> social security. i think what it's going take is frankly people have to sit down in a room, no cameras, and just have it out. >> i think from a business perspective, people get the idea that to, you know, make money, you've got to spend money. as you were saying the commission recommended reducing the deficit by $4 trillion, the president's budget for the 2012 year would reduce the debt by $1 trillion. but when we talk about the economy and the budget, isn't there such a fine difference,
fine line difference, between what is stimulus and what is waste? how do they find the middle? >> i think you find the middle by looking at duplicative programs. i give the democrats on capitol hill credit for reducing pet projects in home districts. the real i when you look at $3.7 trillion budget that we have for this year, most of that is in entitlements. it's within thing karen and i agree on, put these folks in a room, no cameras, and have an honest conversation. >> lock the doors. >> no camera, no blackberry, no cell phone. >> limited water and bath room breaks that kind of thing? >> exactly. >> congress is expected to vote in the spring on raising the debt ceiling, about $14.3 trillion. in your estimation, does it look like the next showdown? >> it sure does. one of the things we've seen over the last couple of weeks -- there's a couple of factors -- one the tea party caucus and the house is giving john boehner a run for his money. they're unpredictable. it's unpredictable whether or
not they're going to buck leadership even if leadership says we can't let that happen about no doubt it's a fight, as we're going to have to have some showdown in the next several days over the cr. so, yeah, it's going to get really ugly. again, it's going to be the kind of conversation, though, where everybody wants to talk about cuts but we need to remember cuts have a real impact on real people. when people have a better sense of what it means in their lives, that's a different conversation. >> i want to thank eboth of you. so, in many parts of the middle east violence continues now to escalate. in bahrain, security forces reportedly fired tear gas and shots into the air, as thousands of marchers made their way towards the landmark square. demonstrators from egypt to yemen continue to call for change and reform. richard engel is nbc news chief foreign correspondent. excuse me. john ray is there instead of richard. john, fill us in and explain what we're seeing. again, talking about the swell of excitement from the
demonstrators to what it means for other areas in the world. >> reporter: well, listen, this was another day of bloodshed here in bahrain. but for the first time it was the army who was firing on their own citizens here. this was already a great day of tension and mourning and grief because there were funeral processions for those protestors who had been killed this week. those marches turned into protests and the protesters aimed headed to straight back into the city center and there they encountered the arm. we were there ourselves and we h heard volley after volley of gunfire for 30 or 40 minutes. weep saw a great number of ambulances ferrying way the injured. witnesses we spoke to told us for sure the army had in part been firing into the crowd. we talked to people who said their friends dropped at their sight. at the hospital, the main hospital in the capital, manama
here, huge and very angry crowds gathering. we think something like 60 people had been injured today. there are reports of four dead. that is not confirmed. the crowds are getting angrier. the government here thought that by turning the army on to their own citizens they could quell these protests. i think they may have had the absolute opposite effect and just increases the fury here. >> do you flow how the people in bahrain are staying accurately informed about how things are progressing and getting worse? >> well, there is certainly a mix match between what is reported here on state television and the reality experienced by the protesters on the street. state tv today broadcast pictures of a pro-government rally which clogged up the center of the capital for several hours this afternoon. at the same time, the crowned
prince, who is thought of as one of the most reformed-minded members of the royal regime, was on television saying this is not a time to fight. this is a time for die log. but within two hours of that aexperience on television, the army were opening fire and no one can tell you for sure how this will end here. >> nbc's john ray in bahrain. thank you very much. appreciate it. we move from the violent clashes in bahrain to new demonstrations taking place in egypt. it's been one week now since president hosni mubarak stepped down but the revolution is not over. throughout the day, tens of thousands of protesters have again crammed into cairo's liberation square. nbc's stephanie gosk joins us from cairo. stephanie, we've been seeing some fireworks that have been going off behind you. the demonstrations, celebrating, that continues there as the ouster of hosni mubarak continues to saturate that country. there are many ongoing protests across egypt. what are they protesting about there?
>> reporter: well, there have been a number of union protests. a lot of people here since hosni mubarak stepped down, have grievances that they haven't had a chance to ever air. so now they're taking this opportunity, this newfound voice that they have, and complaining about low wages and bad conditions, and we're seeing that around the country. the military, tonight, taking a stand and saying they're actually going to pursue legal action against some of these unions and if they continue to protest. the military's in a difficult position because they want to listen to demands of the protesters and allow them this opportunity but want to get the country back on its feet. and the economy is stagnant. banks haven't been open, kids haven't been going to school. they need the protests to end. this is what we're seeing today, what they're calling a celebration, friday of victory and continuation. earlier today they were saying this crowd was the largest so far in tahrir square. now they're starting to thin out a little bit but they lack in
numbers, they make up in noise. ever since the sun went down it's been fireworks and drums. and it's really just a big party. but it's a big party with a message. and it's a message to the military, that they're ready to come back in these numbers if their demands aren't met. >> nbc's stephanie gosk in a noisy tahrir square. thanks so much. the department of education is now looking into act indications the university of notre dame mishandled two sexual assault investigations. civil rights leader reverend al sharpton joins me. coming to the defense of a jailed ohio mom who wanted a about thor education for her child.to a ixed rate asow as 4.5% at lendingtree.com, where customers save an average of $293 a month. call lendingtree today.
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misconduct investigations. in recent months two families have complains the stories university has failed to fully investigate alleged sexual assault cases of their daughters. education secretary arne duncan said thursday that his department takes their concerns very seriously. todd lightly has been following the story closely for "the chicago tribune." explain to us where the investigations with the school and the education department stand, because i'm sure for a lot of people we've heard about school investigations before, but it's another thing when the education department gets involved. >> right. the education department's doing what they call a preliminary inquiry, and it's under federal title 9 law which people think it's related to sport and is it, but has to do with how women are treated and discriminated against. a sexual attack is considers discrimination against a woman. so the u.s. education department is interested in seeing how notre dame has responded to these serious allegations, as
arne duncan mentioned. >> as we hear about this you, know all of us, our hearts go out to alleged victims, what they may have gone through, when we think about what this means for the school, there are generations of families who have attended this school. but now two families say they have been completely betrayed. what did you get out of these family members when you spoke to them? >> you get a really -- a sense of a deep hurt. as you mentioned, both families in this case are proud notre dame families. the one girl, lizzie, her family, back 100 years at notre dame. nine days after she reports being sexually attacked last september, she committed suicide. nobody's suggesting that her suicide was related to that attack because she was very deeply troubled before this. but there's a sense of betrayal, as you mentioned by both these families. in the second case, the girl alleged she was also raped, around the same time as lizzie
and got the same response, they fell, from the campus police department, and that is there were delays in interviewing the suspects in one case it took police 15 days before they conducted an interview and in another case it took police 11 days. both families, there's not a sense of urgency to a real cry of a crime. >> i want to let them know we did get a release, the school released a statement to us. i want to read it to everybody. we regret that some are critical of our handling of sexual misduck allegations and we understand the pain these families are experiencing. when you talk about the fact campus police were involved, why didn't it go outside of their purview to, say, the city police in the area or anything like that? why did it stay tightly under their investigative unit? >> that's a good question. they can refer it to an outside agency to help them with that. they apparently felt that, you know, they believe they have a professional and dedicated
police force, that they are capable, more than capable of investigating these types of crimes, these type of allegations. at the end of the day the prosecutor for st. joseph county agreed with the university police that there was no need to bring in charges in this case. so no charges were filed in either case. >> taught lightly, great to have you on today. appreciate your time. ooh. >> you're welcome. nearly 15 years since lasik surgery revolutionizes eye care. today there's some new questions about its long-term effectiveness and safety. talking to the doctor who first approved the laser procedure. and why he now wants it, get this, recalled.
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so how far would you go to get your kids a good education? one mom in ohio lied about her address so that her children could attend a better school district than one where they actually live. kelly williams bowler found guilty of tampering with public records. it's a felony. and she spent nine days in president. than brought reverend al sharpton to a rally in akron, ohio to show support for williams bowler and demand revaluation of priorities when it comes to education. >> we can dmonot have one natio where it go business zip code. either you have one flation or you don't have one nation. we ought to be saluting people that want to see their children educated and safe. >> that was last night. i'm joined by the reverend al sharpton, president of the national action network. so, sir, does this come down to the basic question of whether or not it's okay to steal a loaf of
bread because you got hungry kids? >> no, ooh think that the no one justifies lying, though legally in her case, she was having her kids where her father's residence was and her lawyers are arguing that in fact they were going to stay and had stayed with her father. notwithstanding the legal base here, i think what the governor and the state legislature has to deal with there is why does some school districts provide more safety and better education than others? at the core of this problem, is if we had equal education, no one would talk about whether they're going to lie or not. so we can look at the question of whether this lady lied or we can look at why anyone feels that they need their children to go to another school district so they can be safe or be educated. that's the civil rights i. >> when we get to the injustice of the quality of the education, we've got that on one issue. was there injustice of having her go to jail for nine days? >> i think the punishment
doesn't fit the crime at all. not only go to jail for nine days, she's a felon. now she cannot pursue her own teaching career. many things in employment she cannot get because she allegedly lied to get her children a better education. there's nothing in this for her. when i said people ought to be saluted for get their children a better education, i don't mean they should lie. but clearly when you see the horrific stories of people abandoning their kids, here's woman trying to do something that is best for her children, even if she may have done it in the wrong way, we make a felon out of her? i don't see how the punishment fits the crime. >> seeing video of you last night in akron. what's it like play, to the state of ohio? how are people reacting to it there especially when you -- education is the foundation of all of us getting better lives. so how is it playing out when we look at what happened to this woman and the education of her kids now in jeopardy.
>> as you saw, it was a packed house. clearly people were very passionate. and i think what drove the people that is many of them said they've had to face the same choice. many of them said they did the same thing. and almost all of them said, even though we don't condone lying to make someone a felon to ruin the rest of their legal lives, that's a bit much, given that what she's accused of was only trying to put her kids in a better school district, where her father has a residence. >> what would you say, though to people out there that would say, okay, it's her responsibility as a parent to get better involved with the school district, to make positive changes where her kids should be going to school? >> i would say, one we don't know she was not better involved. that is to really judge her record. secondly, we've got to look at the facts. the percentage of people that are dropping out of school, the low rates of people that are at school level in that area, and i think that we've got to say
something has got to stimulate us to making the system equal. something that we've been dealing with the national action net work for a few years. frankly what you've done at this station in terms of the education commitment, that, i think, is something that we've got to deal with. the case of this woman is something that points us to, wow, in a desperate situation, people may make decisions that are legally wrong or stater to ily wrong but we've got to solve the problem. >> can it specifically be used to help facilitate a better school in the area where her kids were supposed to be going to school. >> if the state legislature says we have to look at resources, how we deal with the fact there is such a dropout rate in one district and not the other, i think her case could be used for
that because somebody has to have maturity, adults have to enter the room and say why would somebody risk being a felon to put their kid in another district. >> let's hope it's not a wasted opportunity. >> that's why i was in akron. >> now you're back with us. we appreciate it. there is a strong call to put an end to lasik surgery. it's a hard term of topics and coming from an unlikely source. the fda official who led the team giving the procedure the green light is waving a red flag, calling for it to be stopped. nearly 1 million americans elected to have lasik surgery since first approved back in 19 1995. i'm one of them. used to -- it's used to correct vision problems, taking a fuzzy or hazy view of the world and making it clear. dr. morris waxler the official making an about-face pushing for a recall. explain to all of us, we were shocked to hear you're on the forefront of trying to get this recalled, what's the danger that you see with lasik surgery that
you didn't see when you approved it. >> well, the danger is very high adverse event rate. the adverse event rate is 20%, 20-fold higher than the adverse event rate that was expected and approved under. that adverse event rate is high because essentially people have lasik patients have dry eyes, they have problems with night driving, and they have distorted vision that's related to that. >> when we talk -- >> in addition -- sure. go ahead. >> i was going to say, when you talk about risks aren't those risks explained to patients when they go in prior to the procedure about dry eye, night vision issues, they call it starring issues with lights coming in their direction? >> it's mentioned, but it's
mentioned in a, by the way, you might have such and such. it's not mentioned like you're going to have 20% chance of having these problems. it's presumed, in fact, one of my reasons for urging that there be the withdrawal of lasik devices, is that essentially the lasik community lied or withheld data from the agency with regards to these events and distorted that information. the presumption under which these devices were approves was that they were -- had a 1% adverse event rate. the adverse event rate is 20-fold higher than that for a temporary relief to get rid of your glasses. >> what's the response from the fda and your trying to get this recalled? how have they been reacting to the statistics you brought up. >> they've not said a word. it's as if i've been speaking into the wind. it's been almost six weeks now
and i've heard nothing. not that i personally would like to hear it, but there should be some response. i used a lot of data, it wasn't based on my opinion. >> dr. waxler, real quickly, i had lasik surgery. there are a lot of successful cases out there. what would you say to patients who haven't seen these problems? >> well, i think that's fabulous. i'm glad that you've had a successful outcome. i know patients who have had a successful outcome but think of the 30% that or more that don't have a successful outcome. they're paying a price for your good outcome, in some way or another. but these -- you may still have a bad outcome. i don't know how long you had your lace ex-bsik but you'll cod a cornea transplant. i don't flow if you take r
restas restasis, but most patients have that problem or have night driving problems. so i say, hooray that you've got a good outcome, but were you told that you would have a 20% chance of not having a good outcome? >> i think i focused as successful patients did on the positive aspects of it. you're giving us a lot of food for thought as we see where lasik goes into the future. thanks for coming on today. appreciate your time. >> you're welcome. the battle over the budget and spending continues today on capitol hill where lawmakers are debating hundreds of amendments while hinting at a government shutdown and fighting over spending cuts that fail to address 75% of the deficit. republicans want to -- mike pence offered an amendment to cut off funding of planned parenthood. >> that procedure that you just talk about was a procedure that
i endured. i lost a baby. but for you to stand on this floor and to suggest, as you have, that somehow this is a procedure that is either welcomed or done cavalierly or done without any thought, is preposterous. >> the pence amendment to defund planned parenthood passes the house this afternoon. nbc's luke russert joins me now live from capitol hill. luke, what's been the fallout from this exchange? a very passionate exchange. was mike pence taken aback by the congresswoman's admission? >> reporter: i think mike pence would be the first to tell you that he respects congresswoman speier's admission in which he said -- he was happy when his amendment passed putting out a
press release saying the culture of life has won by defunding planned parenthood. what this stems from, there is a video put out that showed folks working at planned parenthood helping people receive abortions, things of that nature and mike pence is not in favor of $363 million going to planned parentedhood. the government funding that does go to planned parenthood does not go for abortions. it goes for women's health issues, mammograms, birth control, different health screenings that folks on capitol hill, especially within the democratic caucus, fell was very important to preserve. this will strike it from the house budget going four. little chance this will pass the senate. in the senate you have a lot of women's rights proponents, particularly barbara boxer of california who i suspect would not allow this to get to the senate floor, considering how much she's been on the side of planned parenthood in her career. >> i want to put up something that paul krugman wrote in the
new york sometimes. while the budget is all over the news we're not having a debate. it's all sound, fury and post e posturing telling us about the cynicism of politicians but nothing but the deficit reduction. does he have it right? ignoring 80% of the what caused us to get to the deficit. >> reporter: the debates have to do with nonsecurity discretionary spending. looking aat the federal budget make up a small percentage. you know and i know as well as politicians in washington if you want to have real deficit reduction look at social security, medicare, medicaid, and the military. those things have not been on the table in capitol hill. the white house did not address them when they unleashes the 2012 budget. republicans are promising they will have in their budget in april and they'll have significant forms in terms of entitlements but nobody knows, thomas, if issues will be hit. why? they affect voters directly. social security and medicare, that's going to affect voters
that are 65 plus. how important are those voters in ohio, florida, wisconsin now? swing states. do you want to be the politician telling those voters you will not be delivering their benefits? it's a tough sell in washington, d.c. someone may have to drink their medicine at some point, thomas. >> luke russert, thank you. we'll be back with more. [ robin ] my name is robin. and i was a pack-a-day smoker for 25 years. i do remember sitting down with my boys, and i'm like, "oh, promise mommy you'll never ever pick up a cigarette." i had to quit. ♪ my doctor gave me a prescription for chantix, a medication i could take and still smoke, while it built up in my system. [ male announcer ] chantix is a non-nicotine pill proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke.
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after calling in sick? in you are, turns out there's a recent survey finding 57% of salaried employees said they would take a sick day even if they weren't really sick. the biggest culprits, younger workers who may be keeping later hours than their seasoned counterparts. but anyone abusing sick days, your boss is on to you. joined by cnbc's cindy perman. everyone, everyone calls in sick now and again. a lot of employees apparently are abusing this privilege, is what you found through your reporting? >> it really is. especially at this time of the year, i don't know if you know, we're in calling in sick season right now. that's because not everyone has presidents' day or martin luther king day off. this stretch through memorial day the time when people are likely to say i deserve a day off. >> if the sun is shine, it's like springitis.
>> it unleashed a rage of all of these examples of what he gets from people. he said exactly it, the weather's nice, maybe there's a doubleheader. it's a monday, day after vacation, all types when the boss is on to you that you're more likely to call in sick. >> generational thing. younger workers may be abusing this. is that what you found or is it across the board? >> it's across the board. you know, someone was saying, it's the martyrs people who come into work when sick, you know, though they should be calling innic sick, realists, people who are, you know, come in -- call in when sick and come in when not sick. and then the cheaters, of course. so once you're a cheater and you're the person that's going to call in sick when you're not, you tend to always be a cheater, you know how they say that? younger workers are in fact more likely than older counterparts to call in sick. something about the hours they keep. >> everyone's living for the one
and someone's living for the three and four-day weekend. so the wee folk known as leprechauns, known for cent turryes, good fortune is yours if you can catch one. but you'll find a real irish legend. the irish giants. michelle kosinski has more from northern ireland. >> reporter: the rolling emerald countryside where giants are said to have carved out the landscape, there once lived a real irish giant. charles burns, 7'7", in an age when people are shorter than we are today. this is how he would have looked to lon denners when the 19-year-old arrived to seek his fortune as a freak. within three years suffering from constant raging headaches, charles died. his skeleton put in this museum, against his wishes.
today, nearly 250 years later, amid these same sprawling hills -- >> hi, michelle. >> reporter: i must say, your hands are bigger than mine. >> yes. it comes with the territory. >> reporter: the territory of a modern giant. brendan holland never heard of charles burn growing up but was his modern gian giant. brendan holland never heard of charles. he had modern medicine that revealed at 6'9" he had a tumor punching out 50 times the growth hormone. he could have reached eight feet. >> i'm extraordinarily lucky. >> only now has science discovered that brendan and charles are related. so are other giants in this area with a common ancestor. 1500 years ago. >> very tall people who are ill
and die young were occurring in ireland. >> reporter: an amazing revelation that giants have walked these field for centuries. but brendan kept digging. found this old army survey about a nearby limestone quarry. >> there was a description of human bones. >> reporter: not just bones. really, really big ones. >> shin bones and teeth were as large as those of horses. >> reporter: could that land still hide bones of humans that stood seven and eight feet tall. brendan want arechaeologists to
dig. no more giants. >> just stop. i have to sit here. >> reporter: he still struggles with his condition is happy to hear. and feels charles burn would be too. >> inside that huge frame was just another sensitive human being. >> reporter: reaching through centuries from one gentle giant to another. >> our thanks for that. a large part of the country, the country would be flooded out with the spring thaw. really. is that what is topping the news? we'll take a look at that after this. stay with me.
sports victory is a somber occasion. residents in auburn are very upset because they lost a tree there that was apparently poisoned by protesters. that's going to do it for us today. that's our show and i appreciate your time for this friday. i'm thomas roberts. stay tuned "the dylan ratigan show" coming up next. ♪
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